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skud ([personal profile] skud) wrote2014-02-14 01:11 am
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HYPOGLYCEMIC HULK SMASH

So, Wikipedia's list of neural symptoms of hypoglycemia sounds horrifyingly familiar. The other night I had a third or more of them, well past "impaired judgement" and into "not sure I can see straight" as I was biking home, and then on to "rage".

If you see me ranting in a way that's, like, way beyond my usual standards, someone please intervene before hypoglycemic hulk loses me any more friends?


Also a thing I have learnt from WP tonight: while balanced protein-and-low-GI meals should prevent me crashing in the first place, once I've already crashed I need straight-ish glucose, not protein, to pick me back up again.

I think I also need to see my doc. ED recovery is apparently making new shit pop up, like trying to push bubbles out of a sheet of contact paper. I used to be able to skip all kinds of meals without flipping out. Which I guess is the problem really.

I have a bad feeling this is going to involve bloodwork :-/
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[personal profile] synecdochic 2014-02-13 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with changing reactions and results you didn't expect. For me that's always more stressful than the actual condition, whatever it is -- there's something really terrifying about the helplessness of unexpected results and the shifting-sand feeling of new and exciting behavior happening with something I thought I'd already figured out. I can only imagine how much worse it is when it's striking at recovery stuff.

I have a suggestion but I don't want to be Helpy, so let me know if you want to hear it. <3
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[personal profile] synecdochic 2014-02-13 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)

To expand on the "keep muesli bars" suggestion from the previous post: don't just keep the museli bars/pack of nuts/etc on you, keep them on you and set an alarm on your phone for every $timeperiod. (One hour, two hours, whatever you think would be frequent enough to catch problems early but not so frequent as to be a constantly looming/lurking Thing.) Then, when the alarm goes off, ask yourself a) if you've eaten since the last alarm and b) are you displaying any of the symptoms of hypoglycemia, and if so, eat.

That way, you wouldn't have to rely on hunger cues to tell you to eat, and you wouldn't have to constantly be polling yourself to check how you're feeling -- you'd be offloading your "is my blood sugar in the toilet and do i need to eat?" subroutine to something external, so it wouldn't be taking up all that mental space.

(I can see where having that constant interruption might lead someone back to less healthy thinking-about-food or be helpful and liberating, and please do not feel the need to explain to me personal details of which one it would be! Just thinking that if the problem is "I do not recognize that I am seriously hangry until I'm all the way to HULK SMASH levels", just having the snacks on hand might not necessarily be enough to solve the problem...)

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[personal profile] synecdochic 2014-02-13 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)

That makes perfect sense! (And yeah, TOTAL props; that is a huge deal and worth all the high-fives in the world.) And yeah, sounds like I had the wrong end of the stick about what the problem was; sorry about that :)

Hooray for working from home and controlling your own groceries! And hooray for your garden. I remain vaguely in awe of anyone who can, you know, grow their own food and stuff. (We have some space we could turn into a kitchen garden, and will probably experiment a bit this summer, but it will be all on Sarah; all physical limitations aside, I have a total black thumb. Although I'm proud of myself for keeping the cyclamen plant in my office alive for like five years now.)

It still sucks that you had to be in that situation in the first place, though. I mean, seriously, why do so many meeting places have such bad food? (I know, I know, not their core competency and all, but still. Yeesh.)

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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2014-02-14 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
I've had the "I need to eat and there is nothing appropriate here" problem. Often while working in bars.*

Some things that most places that serve drinks will have are sugary fizzy drink, which usually I avoid when already hungry, because it makes me crash and get sleepy. But if the problem is low blood sugar, then it's a good way to fix that.

It won't help with the being hungry, so after having a sugary drink, then chips or peanuts might work to put something in stomach and provide protein and fats.

* I once burst into tears at a Turkish place because I needed to sit down to eat and the only thing that appealed to me in my "need to eat now!" state was available on their take away menu, but not on their eat here menu.
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2014-02-16 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Hindsight is annoying that way.
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[personal profile] batdina 2014-02-13 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
yes yes and yes.

no suggestions, just support out here from one who deals with similar bs.
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[personal profile] mrsbrown 2014-02-13 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I think if I had been hungry in that sort of club I would possibly have looked for a cheesecake like dessert. I've been in too many of that sort of venue.

Also, I often carry a single serve of cashews and currants in a small jar in my handbag, because when my vision starts closing in from hunger I can get both the quick hit and sticking power.
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2014-02-14 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, that's tricky. I've been on a committee which used Roberts Rules of Order, but people always brought things to eat, often homemade biscuits and muffins. The CWA members should use it as a way to test their recipes.
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[personal profile] nonny 2014-02-24 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to comment, in my experience, even if nobody else is eating, I've never personally had issues when I explain I have a medical condition that requires me to eat regularly. Most of the time, people don't ask for clarification beyond that. It's definitely awkward at times, but at least for me, it's gotten easier with time/practice, to the point that nobody really blinks.
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[personal profile] transcendancing 2014-02-14 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Eeek, that sounds like it was all kinds of horrible - keeping snacks on you sounds like a really great idea and urgh for the RRoO meeting set up that led to awkwardness and difficulty in the first place.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2014-02-14 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
I have similar issues (and previous ED experience has really fucked up my ability to listen to my body if there's anything at all going on other than me in a quiet environment) so this post is of great interest to me. Thanks for sharing this.
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[personal profile] juliet 2014-02-19 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Gah sympathy. I have similar issues; used to carry a snack by default but don't always right now because a) post-pregnancy it seems to be a bit better? weirdly? so less of an issue; b) for me, ready salted crisps do the job in a pinch and I can get them nearly anywhere; & c) have snacks for L instead. Which I can eat if I have to but we like different things.

I have attended weddings with a sandwich in my bag which is a bit embarrassing but that is a classic situation where food comes at weird times, there's booze, and if an extra snack shows up later it's almost never vegan. (I do eat them fairly surreptitiously b/c social whatsits; but the social whatsits associated with me collapsing in hysterical tears at the end of the evening are worse than those of eating a damn sandwich in a hallway somewhere. ASK ME HOW I KNOW, gah.)

Would glucose tablets be a useful thing to keep in a bag, if you have a usual bag? They are very small so might be a good emergency option (like the emergency fiver I keep in a side pocket of my bag) if you eat yr muesli bar & forget to pack a new one. Cyclist gel thingies (or Shock Blocks, if you get them over there, which are less messy but even weirder) are a bit bigger but slightly (*slightly*...) more palatable IME.
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[personal profile] juliet 2014-02-19 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, for sure, prevention is best; but it's like the emergency fiver, I don't *plan* to let myself run out of cash unexpectedly, & I am pretty careful to keep an eye on my wallet, but the one time it's happened in the last two years I was very grateful that I had the emergency stash :)

Hope doc apt is useful or at least supportive!
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[personal profile] melle_chantilly 2014-02-23 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Late on the bandwagon, but I thought it's never too late? (I'm going to mention changes in my diet for medical reasons, so I hope it's not triggery for you)

I used to have hypoglycemia almost on a daily basis and it was awful. My major symptom if I was fully crashing was complete apathy, which sometimes made it almost impossible for me to think of ingesting sugar to snap out of it. Awesome really.

Recently I had to cut out sugar from my diet for medical reasons (very high triglycerides and cholesterol), so I only eat organic muesli in the morning and fruit in the day, nothing high glucose, no alcohol (except rare occasions). I actually did adapt to this way of eating very well and I don't miss sugar. I realize this isn't practical for many people, I'm not really advising you to do the same, unless it sounds appealing to you and realistic enough.

My point is, it helped me understand how hypoglycemia worked, especially since the doctors I saw were completely incompetent in the matter. Since I don't eat sugar anymore (well,I do, since I have fresh fruits, but you know what I mean), I don't suffer from hypoglycemias anymore.

The only times I do is when I have the odd glass of wine at dinner. I WILL have hypoglycemia in the morning.

So I think you're on the right track with the low GI diet. As far as snack goes, to prevent the odd crash, dried fruits, raisins, cranberries, can help. They're usually packed with fructose and they don't go bad once open very fast, so it's pretty handy.

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[personal profile] melle_chantilly 2014-02-23 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was shocked when I discovered how sugar fucked me up. That's my body, I'm not saying it's universay, you know? But I haven't modified my diet much apart from quitting sugar and alcohol, I still eat very rich dish on a regular (*ahem* almost daily) basis, thai curry, french stuff with cream, things like that, and now I have zero cholesterol (only good cholesterol) and no trigly.

I've battled with crappy blood tests my whole life, and hypothyroidism only made it worse. And now, I'm the healthiest I've ever been. I'm baffled, really. Sugar really messes up my body.

I also get really bad cravings if I indulge. I had cake at Xmas, and the day after was hell. So it's probably something to do with insulin, idk, but I just plain stay away now. I have found a dark chocolate that is amazing and that doesn't trigger what I don't shy from calling my sugar addiction now, so that's nice. :)

Raisins are maybe less fun than other dried fruits, but I think they're high GI, so maybe you can mix dates and raisins?
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2014-03-07 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
Loads of sympathy there. I get hypoglycemia unless I keep my eating under control - and it's really unpleasant dealing with it. Thankfully it doesn't seem to affect my judgement that much, except for horrible shakiness, sweats, and wanting to sit perfectly still and wait for it to pass.

Like you, low GI makes it an awful lot better - and low stress does that also (although stress levels tend to interact with the quality of what I eat an awful lot too).

Oh, and I only noticed you had me friended when you unfriended me. For which I apologise - am adding you back now (although if that now feels horribly awkward then let me know and I'll vanish again).